| Bonkajs |
kawīda ast prūsiskas karengun prusna?
kā būtu jāizskatās prūšu karogam? |
| Bonkajs |
kurš izdomāja, ka tam jābūt tādam??? |
| Mānts |
Bonkajskurš izdomāja, ka tam jābūt tādam???
Tā ir archeologiska rekonstrukcija ;) |
| Bonkajs |
Vaitad Pirmais prūšu karogs nebija balts ar trīs dievu tēliem uz tā !!! |
| Mānts |
Bonkajskas par muļķībām!!!! Pirmais prūšu karogs bija balts ar trīs dievu tēliem uz tā !!!
Tas karogs ar trīm dieviem varēja būt Vaidavuša, tā pat ir šaubu pēc autentiskumu. |
| Bonkajs |
njā... , bet vai Jums nešķiet, ka arī šis melnssarkanmelnais karogs tā īsti neder??? |
| Mānts |
Nu, cik es zinu, tā bija kara karogs, tātad nav loti skaista ;) |
| Egils |
Bonkajskas par muļķībām!!!! Pirmais prūšu karogs bija balts ar trīs dievu tēliem uz tā !!!
Vispār ar tām viduslaiku gravīru attēliem un hronikām ir jābūt ļoti uzmanīgiem, uz viņām nekādā ziņā nedrīkst paļauties tik svarīgā jautājumā. Leģenda par Vidvudu un Bruteni, Rāmavas ozolu etc. ir ļoti skaista un romantiska, bet tā ir tikai leģenda, un vienīgais zināmais tās avots ir KRISTĪGA IEKAROTĀJA SVEŠTAUTIEŠA hronikas ?NORAKSTS? , cik tam var uzticēties?
Piemēram par Latvijas karogu arī kļuva hronikā pieminētais Cēsu letgaļu (vai vendu?) karogs, bet šāds krāsu salikums ir ļoti izplatīts baltu tautu (latviešu priekšteču) tekstīla etnogrāfiskajos ornamentos, bet jostās un kreklu izšuvumos tas pat dominē.
Protams karogu var veidot arī mūsdienās, bet tad ir jāvienojas (un tas ir jāizlemj pašiem prūšiem) par krāsu un to salikuma avotiem un simboliku |
| Egils |
BonkajsPrūšu karoga izskats?
Diemžēl manas prūšu un arī angļu valodas nav tik labas, bet, uzskatu, ka šo tēmu vajadzētu turpināt prūsiski un angliski, jo šīs valodas ir vairāk saprotamas 'pašiem šī foruma prūšiem. Man ir lūgums aktivizēt šo jautājumu prūsiski un angliski. |
| Mānts |
Nu jā, cik es redzēju, nedaudz prūšu māk latviešu vai lietuviešu valodas, tātad tādas tēmas vajadzētu būt prūsiski vai angliski :) |
| Bonkajs |
show me that person who can deny you to write in english or prussian :? |
| Bonkajs |
did someone can tell me where I can find more info about current flag?
Why this flag have black, red and a little bit of white colours? |
| Glabbis |
I will write about it later as i should ask about details. Now I know about it just in general. |
| Glabbis |
As for Prussian Flag and other Prussian symbols, in 1989 Brātrija PRŪSA tried to look at some interesting archeologic findings. So archaeologist Kulakow told then about his ideas and these materials were published in Gerboved 30, 1989 as well. First of all, Kulakow found in Irtekapinis (burial complex with lots of sanctuaries near town of Krānts in Semba) many variants of horse forehead pendants with a picture of some White Bird. First they think that it was white raven but now they came to conclusiuon that it is a white merlin, Islandic King falcon. It is considered that White Merlin was a very special gift for Prussian nobles from Vikings and it became the symbol of military nobility in Semba meaning "means of magical transportation" for warriors.
Then another important finding was signs of Trident on stones from the same burial place of Irtekapinis and neighbour holy forest Kunti. Trident is a modification of Swastika and symbol of three Prussian Gods.
Then Kulakow studied heraldry of Old Prussian families. He presented some of them where he found the rest of Pre-Christian symbolism. For example, a few of them have a picture of red hat of Kriwwis. Even episcopacy banner of Semba consist of three red hats of Kriwwis. Then we can find them in coat of arms as well.
So white and red colours were holy for Prussians. Then Kulakow analysed some foreign simbolism that could be of Prussian origin or at least of Prussian influence. There was an idea that Prussian warriors served in Kiew in army of Vladimir and used such colours. Then there was some order of "St.Vladimir" that used these colours of black and red. So Kulakow says that it was a period of close contacts between Prussia and Kiew Rus and lots of Prussians migrated from Prussia to Kiew and they could remove this simbolism of black-red-black colours.
Then Kulakow says that flag reflects natural phenomena on the Baltic: after sunset you can see black water below, murrey in the middle - the rest of sunset, and above it - the black sky.
Then he says it is the colour of ritual blood of sacrificial black animals.
So Kulakow took this symbol of White Bird on black-red-black flag for his archealogic group.
Brātrija PRŪSA took this flag and added white stripes between lines meaning that white colour is holy for Prussians. Brātrija took Prussian Trident as well. |
| Bonkajs |
Thanks for INFO!
Maybe you have image files with prussian trident, flags and other such stuff? If you have than please send them to my e-mail [email]g.mezitis@gmail.com[/email]
Debīkan Dīnkun! |
| Glabbis |
The flag you already saw because Mānts already put it previously. Though colours are not correct there. It should be be black instead of this grey. And no need to write "PRŪSA" there. The rest is correct.
You can see Trident in the circle above where it is written PRŪSA. Here it is.
There are some variants of Trident as it is a little bit reconstructed. I have no photos of them but i have some graphic pictures from real stones. Later i will look for it and other stuff and send you. |
| Bonkajs |
Ok! I will wait :)
Dīnkun!
Paldies!
Ačiu! |
| Nērtiks |
As kwaitīlai dīgi, ik as mazzi. |
| Bonkajs |
http://gatmez.coolinc.info/
There you can see flag that I made, is it correct??? |
| Robis |
GlabbisAs for Prussian Flag and other Prussian symbols, in 1989 Brātrija PRŪSA tried to look at some interesting archeologic findings. So archaeologist Kulakow told then about his ideas and these materials were published in Gerboved 30, 1989 as well. First of all, Kulakow found in Irtekapinis (burial complex with lots of sanctuaries near town of Krānts in Semba) many variants of horse forehead pendants with a picture of some White Bird. First they think that it was white raven but now they came to conclusiuon that it is a white merlin, Islandic King falcon. It is considered that White Merlin was a very special gift for Prussian nobles from Vikings and it became the symbol of military nobility in Semba meaning "means of magical transportation" for warriors.
Do you have any images with these pendants or image of reconstructed white bird? |
| Glabbis |
"Do you have any images with these pendants or image of reconstructed white bird?"
- Yes, you could find it in section " Nawwiniskwas ezze Kunnegsgarbu"
"There you can see flag that I made, is it correct???"
- Yes |
| Glabbis |
Ō! Bonkajs, mennei padīnga twāise nawwan wīdan!
Be ka ast sta? |
| Bonkajs |
GlabbisŌ! Bonkajs, mennei padīnga twāise nawwan wīdan!
Be ka ast sta?
hahaha .... and my previous personal foto you don't like :) ... hahaha... !? |
| Nērtiks |
Sta ast perarwi grazzan - as wīda grazzans liikutans swastikins be magīskan gīrbin 9. Mennei dīgi interessanti, ka ast sta. |
| Bonkajs |
Stas ast prusiskai grazintinan walnintunai kopija (old prussian ornaments reconstrukcion in my interpretation)
Info here:
http://www.balturotas.lv/scripts/strvie.asp?ko=R.S.VI-4.055&back=strgr1.asp?no=36$cik=12$a=2
and here:
http://gatmez.coolinc.info/ |
| Nērtiks |
Pragrazzei! As kwāi tūls!
Tu kitawīdinuns gīrbin stēisan swastikin - ēn ōrginalu bēi 7 stās, adder Twajja rekonstrokcjōni ast spārtai grazzi! |
| Bonkajs |
NērtiksPragrazzei! As kwāi tūls!
Tu kitawīdinuns gīrbin stēisan swastikin - ēn ōrginalu bēi 7 stās, adder Twajja rekonstrokcjōni ast spārtai grazzi!
Dīnkun :) |
| Akszugor |
Prūsa flāg
70 cm x 100 cm
Black = 22 cm
White = 2 cm
Red = 22 cm
White = 2 cm
Black = 22 cm
:) |
| Glabbis |
Jā, this one looks more correct. |
| Glabbis |
This version is not original one. It is interpretation. |
